Savage Species updated monster skills points

[wrathgon]

hey just looked at SS and it seems that in there outsider get only 2+int where in MMI they get 8, so which do i use? SS is an updated product so i assume i use that, any comments?

[erictcleric]

Assuming we're talking 3.5 instead of 3.0, Savage Species actually came out slightly before the 3.5 MM (I'm sad enough to have a spreadsheet to keep track of the rulebooks and feats ). Also, although I don't have SS, MM IV says 8+Int modifier, so I'd stick with that.

[Zym]

Ya, SS is on the tail end of 3.0/evolution to 3.5 area. WotC also uses SS material in a number of their rules references and builds.

But, as stated, the latest incarnation (of whatever race/class/feat, etc) is the legit option. Note however, that WotC often has several options named the same thing but with entirely different effects, some are updates, some are separate entries (Fleet of Foot is a good example).

[CNYGamer99]

hey just looked at SS and it seems that in there outsider get only 2+int where in MMI they get 8, so which do i use? SS is an updated product so i assume i use that, any comments?

I assume you're referring to skill points per level. I don't know where in Savage Species you're seeing that Outsiders get 2+Int modifier skill points. The Outsiders I'm looking at in Savage Species (Astral Deva pg 155, Avoral pg 158, Azer pg 159, Barghest pg 159, etc. etc. etc.) all get 8+Int modifier skill points per level. This is consistent with the Monster Manual pg 290, which shows Outsiders as getting 8+Int modifier skill points per level.

If I misunderstood your question, or got side-tracked with bad information I apologize.

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